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What Are Geo Domains?

  Posts Posted by Steve under General on Sunday, April 13th, 2008 10:45 am

What are Geo domains?  Everyone has their own opinion to this question, however I would like to offer a more accurate definition based on facts rather than opinion.  I am sure it will probally ruffle some feathers and cause some controversy, but I ask readers to keep an open mind to what I am about to present.  It is neccessary to educate people in this industry as a whole, so no inaccurate assumptions or misleading comments are made to define Geo domains.   

There is a common misconception that has evolved in the domain industry over the years on geo domains. The term “Geo” is short for Geographical/Geographic and the term “domains” has been added to represent the industry.  Here is the definition of geographical, please focus on #2.
 
ge·o·graph·i·cal 
 
1. of or pertaining to geography. 
2. of or pertaining to the natural features, population, industries, etc., of a region or regions. 
 
While many view geo domains as city.com, state.com, country.coms, these are not the only entities that the geo domain industry encompasses.  These are some of the most elite names in the geo industry though.  Many like to use those 3 categories to define geo domains.  They are not wrong, they are indeed geo domains, but the geo domain industry is much larger than the 3 categories listed.
 
Just like the domain industry is not just Generic.coms, there are a variety of other categories that fall into the domain industry, products, services, popular search terms, etc.
 
If you read the definition of what the term geographical means, it tells you exactly what geo domains are when the terms are put together.  This is what “NORMAL” people think of when they search on and off the internet for information.  They do not only think of just city.com, state.com and country.coms only.

These are what Geo domains are:    
 
1.  City.tld, State.tld, Country.tld, Region.tld
2.  City+Industry/Service.tld, State+Industry/Service.tld, Country+Industry/Service.tld
3.  IDNs and Country ccTLDs. 
 
In all countries, the country domain is more popular than a .com address.  This is fact, not opinion.  A great example of this is VeraCruz.com.mx.  The citizens of Mexico embrace their domain extension, just as americans embrace .com.  They have VeraCruz.com pointed to their site.  VeraCruz.com.mx is interested in delivering content to Mexicans, and adds value by capturing Americans and others who visit VeraCruz.com.  There are thousands of examples just like this that prove how powerful ccTLDs are when compared to .com.  IDNs are soon to follow once the infranstructure has been put in place.  These geo domains are very powerful in their regions. 

American domainers are very egotistic for the most part, although not all.  They believe there is nothing better than a .com address and that it is the only universal extention.  The rest of the World does not neccessarily look at things the same way.  If they did, the volume of .com addresses available to domainers would have been depleted by true businesses and end users long before domainers evolved.  The reason there was and is an abundance of domains still available in .com is because the rest of the world is embracing their ccTLDs.  Many people will insist that everyone in the World missed the boat on .com, yet these multimillion/billion dollar companies, businesses, and entrepreneurs in other countries are doing just fine with their geo domains.  Isn’t it funny that they are still successful doing business online with their ccTLDs?

I find it very entertaining when I read or hear this closed box way of thinking in the domain industry.  Perhaps the rest of the World looks at .com as the United States country code. Sure it is universal, but I can assure you that the foreign companies that buy the .com address, also own the ccTLDs for the most part.  Think about this, is it possible the rest of the World looks at .com for the most part as a United States ccTLD and use a .com domain to attract Americans to their international business? It’s strategic marketing, especially if you own an office in the U.S.

I lived in Europe for almost 5 years, and traveled all over the place.  I know from experience talking to people from many countries that they feel this way about .com.  All you see is ccTLDs printed on everything; signs, cars, SemiTrucks, etc.  There are .com addresses also, but this is the exception than the rule.  Those people in Europe who search the internet for things in other countries, use the term and ccTLDs.  This is fact and not opinion.  Geo domains are powerful and the true value has not been unlocked in the United States.  Countries outside of the United States have unlocked Geo domains true value long ago with mobile technology. 

It will be interesting as the industry matures and IDNs get into the mix.  I am sure many disagree with what I have outlined here.  I once again ask you to look at this with an open mind and place what you have been taught in the domain industry, aside for a second.  There is more to the World and domain industry than .com.  The Geo domain industry is much larger than defined historically.  I hope this opens your eyes to exactly how big this industry is outside of the United States.  The United States is just a small part of the industry. 

I welcome all comments and disagreements. 

         

21 Responses to “What Are Geo Domains?”

  1. Troy Duncan Says:

    I plan on driving International traffic to my primary .com tld. One of the strategies I’m implementing are cc tld. I’m also going to track the effectiveness of these cc tld. I don’t have any real benchmarks to rely on so this will be uncharted territory for me.



  2. Ed Keay-Smith Says:

    Great post Steve,

    You took the words right out of my mouth mate!

    I think that there are many, many shades of grey when it comes to domain names and many other options to a .com in the ccTLD market place.

    I own over 200 .co.uk domain names, about the same in .co.in & .in and of course quite a few .com.au domains.

    I can tell you for sure that all the print media and television ads in Australia have a much higher display of .com.au domains compared to .com

    It just makes perfect sense to market & advertise your local ccTLD domain name if that is your target market.

    I made a quick post at my blog http://www.ozdomainer.com/67/uk-web-users-trust-the-couk-cctld/ many months ago about the .co.uk ccTLD and linked to an article that talked about how UK Web Users Trust the .co.uk ccTLd over .com

    The world is not flat! & not everyone lives in the USA.

    Regards

    Ed
    http://www.ozdomainer.com



  3. Ace Says:

    Totally agree with you on this.



  4. NY Says:

    No offense to anyone, but here we go again. Let’s all grab our Ray-Bans and block the REAL “vision and viability” of .TV Geo domains. If I could vote, I would vote for “ignoring .TV GEO domains” as the 8th Wonder of The World…just so foolish. Again, no offense to the successful, passionate and respectable Geo domain owners and developers, BUT, it’s just so naive to continue to ignore the future of the internet. No mention of City.TV, CityState.TV, State.TV, Country.TV…?

    With over 153 million domains, *(expected to double), “.TV” represents the ONLY GLOBAL TLD, besides the .com model. PEOPLE are buying, investing and DEVELOPING .TV. With time and development, the DN will follow.

    If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it 23 million times…ignore it if you so chose.

    …more coming soon.

    NY

    ***SMO***

    NY,

    You had me laughing. You are a funny guy. I do not have my ray-ban sunglasses on, actually, I don’t even own a pair. 23 million times is a lot, did you at least drink water? I hit on .tv, as well as every other extention. .TV is a ccTLD, whether you choose to believe it or not. Just because I did not mention .tv, does not mean it was not included.

    Please stop being so senitive. There is alot .tv has to offer, but like any extension, it will take effective content to unlock the true potential. .tv, .com, .anything, are all worthless to consumers without content. Many will argue differently, because of PPC and the links they provide. But in the end, the domain that delivers content cosistently, will be a successful platform that grows exponentially regardless of the extension. The PPC model lacks growth.

    Thanks for bringing a laugh.



  5. David J Castello Says:

    I agree with you 100%, Steve.

    Technically, a Geodomain is any domain name that includes a destination regardless of the TLD.

    However, when people start to attack Geodomains as “not that great” or “overrated” I will immediately raise the city.com battle flag. This is because, if I’m going to defend Geodomains against these nay-sayers, I’m going to do it behind the most successful Geodomain examples. And, to date, no Geodomains have been as successful as the city.coms.

    I have no doubt other Geodomains, particularly ccTLD Geodomains, are going to do quite well in the near future. But until they do, you will find me singing the praises of Nashville.com, Atlanta.com and SanFrancisco.com everytime Geodomains are attacked.

    ***SMO***

    Concur David. It will be an ongoing battle. Those are definitely the geo domains you want to battle confrontational comments, that lack logic/fact. I just find it humorous that people like to try and rain on other peoples parades in the domain industry that do not fall into their own game plan. I could understand if there were no facts and just hope involved. However, there are plenty of facts and performance tracking that prove where the geo domain industry is headed.

    Controversy is great for growth. Lets hope everyone continues to say Geo domains are overrated. :)



  6. David J Castello Says:

    You hit the nail right on the head here, Steve:

    “I just find it humorous that people like to try and rain on other peoples parades in the domain industry that do not fall into their own game plan. “



  7. Frank Rudner Says:

    Great Points, as usual Steve :)

    As I specified in an earlier blog.
    I own a few .Com Geo’s and plenty of .Ca Geo City & 2 states.(SanibelIsland.ca, Indianapolis.ca, BoyntonBeach.ca….)

    Although we do see a dominance in Canada for having a .com basically to appeal to other markets as the USA(As you mentioned and soo true)….. but Canadians have adopted their .Ca strongly as a corporate must unlike US which has more considered the .Com as their .US as I have read over and over.

    True I no doubt get less hits with my WestPalmBeach.ca to WestPalmBeach.com and I too would go buy the .com but by my experiences my .Ca’s are hitting even a global markets.
    This week I have uniques at 65% Canada, 28% USA, 6.83 Australia and constant uniques from UK, Denmark, Israel, Hungary, China….

    On Sedo a recent post
    “Benefits of The ccTLD”
    “however, the popularity of Country Code Top-Level Domains (ccTLDs) such as .Ca and .Cn have been gaining strength in the domain market.”

    http://www.sedo.com/links/showhtml.php3?Id=1689&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us

    Quick Stats:
    WestPalmBeach.ca Geo Stats Since Tuesday
    1 Canada (33.33%)
    2 United States (22.22%)
    3 Germany (16.67%)
    4 Korea, Republic of (11.11%)
    5 Brazil (5.56%)
    6 Spain (5.56%)
    7 Finland (5.56%)

    ClearwaterBeach.ca
    1 Canada (33.33%)
    2 United States (26.67%)
    3 Brazil (13.33%)
    4 Finland (6.67%)
    5 Korea, Republic of (6.67%)
    6 Poland (6.67%)
    7 Taiwan, Province of China (6.67%)

    SanibelIsland.ca Geo Stats from Yesterday
    1 Canada (94.44%)
    2 Australia (5.56%)

    And Parked.com stats are approx the same.
    As I mention I look forward to see the tale of developing them.
    Still waiting on a Geo .Ca section in the forum :)

    All The Best



  8. NY Says:

    Steve, David,

    I appreciate the feedback, and apologize if my comment was considered rude or negative. (Obviously not my intention–I love this site!)

    I, as one of the most “pro-geo” owners on the planet agree that it is amazing that people still do not “get it”. However, it is just simply funny that people still bad-mouth or ignore .TV and Geo .TV’s.

    We are ALL guilty of failing to comprehend how young the internet actually is! With that being said, .TV has already passed the “what-if” marker. As technology expands and unfolds, the “new” prime real estate will be in the form of another intuitive TLD; “.TV”.

    Again, this is not an argument of which has traffic, or which has more registrations, it is an argument of facts. You can not ignore the facts.

    So, here are the facts: (not to mention .TV is the fastest growing TLD…EVER.)

    When people want rich media entertainment, where will they look? “.TV”. When they want movies, videos, interactive content, where will they look? “.TV”. As more million and BILLION dollar companies educate themselves with domains and development, MORE and MORE people will chose .TV domains, especially Geo .TV domains, because they are the ultimate competitive advantage in a market place.

    Regardless of how much traffic is currently present, (Jacksonville.TV had x,xxx traffic last month parked), advertisers are always looking for generic alternatives. (Including NBC/ABC–no comment) I’ve spoken to businesses that want to advertise on the undeveloped Jacksonville.TV. I explained to the person it is in our 24 month plan. He proceeded to offer amounts that were 25 x’s what I paid for the name last year. People have contacted me and said, “I just want to be on the front page with my company video”. This proves the theory, period-paragraph. It’s the “mental model” that will continue, that underlines the fact that not only do people want .TV, but they do NOT know NOR care about it’s origin (Tuvalu). ccTLD in the books, no doubt, more importantly though, it is what a GEO .net, .us, .info, .org, .ws, .name, has never and will never be… an instant business.

    OklahomaCity.TV was fair game, so they passed on the .com version for $800k. This trend will continue…

    Rumors have it Boston.TV has already been offered millions in VC that should be interesting to follow. They have already aligned themselves with Boston.com further proving the model…

    Have a wonderful day my fellow Geo owners!

    ;)

    NY



  9. Brian Berke Says:

    Steve,

    As usual you are at the forefront of great dialogue. I will point out yet again, that you are a true visionary in the Geo Domain space. You are the voice of reason and I think you and I both agree that ALL of us Geo Domain owners despite TLD will need to stand united against those evil forces trying to take our geo domains. There is enough money in this space to go around and all those who develop and brand properly will get a piece of the pie, even in the same markets.

    Talk about being comical, the fact we have to discuss what is or is not a geo domain is ridiculous IMO. The viability of the various TLD’s is certainly up for debate, but not what constitutes a Geo domain and thank you Steve for putting this obvious fact to rest once and for all!

    I recently joined the ICA because of this fact and while I will develop my world class generic geo domains in the .TV space, I will stand shoulder to shoulder with my .com brothers to fight those that will come as we all grow more powerful.

    A few quick thoughts regarding the post by NY above regarding .TV

    Steve, we know the history of .TV as a CCTLD but we also know the reality of how it is being embraced worldwide on the Internet.

    The reason it is being developed worldwide by media and entertainment companies is because the two most powerful letters in the world, when it comes to media, are “TV” This is a fact. We are at the dawn of the online video media age on the Internet. This is also fact.

    .TV means something and that is why the facts show as far as worldwide use it is clearly a force in the Geo Domain Space.

    Let me ask you a series of questions to illustrate my point.

    1. Give me examples of major media companies using generic geo domains in the online media space besides .com

    Answer:

    Look at HamptonRoads.tv Macon.tv Nevbraska.tv Can anyone give me any examples of non .com or .tv generic geo domains being embraced this way??

    HamptonRoads.tv is owned by Landmark Communications. They also own:

    Baltimore.tv
    Richmond.tv (and a few more)

    Keep in mind they own HamptonRoads.com and use both the .TV and the .com with .TV powering all the video content.

    2. In the US show me an example of a generic Geo domain outperforming its .com counterpart in a case where both are own by individual companies.

    Answer:

    Tulsa.TV is getting over twice the traffic of Tulsa.com despite being lower in the search engines showing that development with a .TV is the great equalizer because there is an expectation that can be met. The company that owns Tulsa.tv also owns several other .tv cities as well as state .tv’s (13 to be exact) are going to expanding their reach.

    3. Show me an online TV station that has been independently developed to shoot it owns unique content with millions already being put behind it.

    Answer:

    Boston.tv has a fulltime staff/crew and is gaining users at a rapid pace. They have already stuck deals with major traditional media companies in their market and they are carrying the banner for the .TV space as far as creating “on point” development and original content for the Geo .TV space. You can even access their content at boston.com under local search in the multimedia category.

    For more development that crushes most of the .com geo site online, also look at:

    OceanCity.tv
    AtlanticCity.tv
    HiltonHead.tv
    Montreal.tv
    Oztralia.tv
    Vanuatu.tv
    ParkCity.tv

    Conclusion:

    IMO it is clear, local video media is the future of all Geo Domains. .Com will be successful in this space, but .TV will be successful as well. In some markets it will be more successful, in some it will be equal and some it will trail in usage. It will come down to content and development but BOTH will be huge. The same way there are 4 major broadcast networks in the US. .Com will be the ABC and .TV will be the NBC, Both will have a clear advantage over their counterparts because of how we see them being used and developed.

    I have been talking to major media companies and already turned down one offer to co-develop one of the geo domains in a major us city because I did not feel the network was offering enough.

    Can any other non .com or .TV geo owners say this?

    One final note:

    Look at Oklahoma City as a recent example. The Chamber owns this domain. There are many other examples of City or Chambers owning their .TV domains. Other Cities that own their .TV domains include.

    Anaheim.tv
    ChulaVista.tv
    Modesto.tv
    Glendale.tv

    I was contacted by a city about one of my .tv domains several months back.

    It is time we see .TV for the truth. It is in it’s own class and category and currently 2nd overall as far as Geo Domains to .com but is coming quickly.

    ***SMO***

    Brian,

    Thank you for the kind words. Good info you posted here. I honestly believe .tv has a huge possibility. There is already alot of hard core facts of video technology evolving to embrace the internet. The mobile user is driving this change.

    .tv has a very promising future. First you have to build it, a name is just a name without content. Once it is built, then you can ride the waves to the bank. :)

    And I am not over glorifying development. There are many ways to milk the cow. I just prefer the most direct route, with the suction machine hooked up to the utters draining the milk so I can do I as I wish. :) Time to get started on development soon.



  10. Tommy Butler Says:

    At the end of the day
    I hate to say this if i had a choice of .co.uk or .com the .com wins hands down.

    Yes country code tld will do very but you cant beat the direct traffic that comes into a pure hardcore City name.

    everybody knows what a .com is if you tried to sell advertising in places like london with name like london.sc or london.cc i dont think would work it would work with .co.uk and even the .tv but the real money would go to .com.

    pure Geo city names dont worry about google yahho or msn they dont have to spend thousands on advertising in fact its the other way about city geos get the traffic and what most geo owners need to do is convert that traffic to the right people who are prepared to pay right price.

    I have tested about 500 geo location names for the last 2 years working on the Seo and pages to see if there is any diffrence and all can say is City geo will beat any tourist board who spend $1.000.000 or anyone else to traffic without spending 1 dollar

    the diffrence is you need to build then get the customers.
    also another thing would recomend not doing
    putting google or yahoo feeds on a pure name if your advertising or running affaliate on your site take the content from them and build your own pages then link into there booking systems. the idea is to keep the customers on your site not let them of first page with google addwords

    ***SMO***

    Great input Tommy. We are not questioning the fact that .com is not elite. What I am saying is that there is much more to Geo domains than .com.

    I would love to get some hard core traffic data of the owners who own elite ccTLD geo domain versus the elite dot com.

    Example: Perth.com.au traffic versus Perth.com traffic. This would give us some true insight of what consumers want, not domainers. :)

    You are absolutely correct about google adsense. Keep the visitor on your site. WHy would you develop only to send them somewhere else to another developed site. (Although, this is a great start if you have limited funds)

    The goal is to provide the valuable content consumers are in search of and have them coming back for more.



  11. Michael Castello Says:

    No complaints here. “All” TLDs are welcome. They encompass everyone on the net.

    I will push the envelope here in writing that ccTLDs “can” be and entryway to .com and here are my reasons. ccTLDs are close to the hearts of their countrymen/countrywomen. It allows them to feel an extension of their country onto the internet. Think of it as a gateway. They are more willing to enter that gateway if their flag are flying over it. Once there, they find that they can get comfortable within the medium. Businesses and social portals will continue to be created under their national banner.

    Now what happens when that business or site decides it wants to go global. Not that all will, but those that look at the larger picture of the global economy will need a neutral brand to expose themselves and .com fits the bill. Both ccTLD and .com are relevant in the immediate and future game plan. The fact that .com can be found in most counties is a testament to its popularity and neutrality. Simply put, ccTLDs will stay within their boundaries. When I think of global reach I do not want boundaries.

    ccTLDs and TLDs are worthwhile, appreciating and can work effectively with each other.

    ***SMO***

    Well said Michael. However, I would offer a caveat to this. I like using Europe as an example because I have first hand experience with this region. You can still go global with a ccTLD, if it is within your region. However, in order to embrace the United States, a .com address is “almost” a must, if you want to compete. I say almost, because there are many other examples that defy this logic. Geo domains in general are all about staying targeted locally. That is where you will make the most money in the long run with an effective site, not globally.

    There is so much great information being shared today. Love it when a spark is ignited!

    Thanks Michael.



  12. Brian Berke Says:

    Michael,

    Great Post. Do you see any boundaries as far the .TV TLD worldwide that development can’t erase?

    That is why I put .com and .TV is a distinct class. The are worldwide brands with global reach and both mean something worldwide to people regardless of where in the world they live.

    They both are worldwide TLD’s with no boundaries. Do you agree?



  13. Frank Rudner Says:

    Very accurately & diplomaticaly put Mr. Castello!
    As well completely agreed that .Com is the first way to go, the most neutral, respected and most familiar TLD as in you Podcast

    I have to agree with Steve about “strictly local targets.”……that was the point of displaying my stats was to show the global reach that a ccTLD still does have as well as being a “being close to their hearts”



  14. Michael Castello Says:

    Brian. Just as .com is a brand, TV is an accepted brand for information. I believe with the large amount of .tv development that we are seeing, the sky is the limit with its potential. Developers like you will define it. It is probably my second choice in TLDs.



  15. Brian Berke Says:

    Michael,

    I agree 100% that next to .com, .tv has the best poetential moving forward in the Geo Domain Space.

    As you know, I look at you as being on the Mount Rushmore of the Geo Domain movement as you saw the viability in this space before 99.9 % of the people out there did. Your track record speaks for itself and therefore I place a great premium on your thoughts and views in this arena.

    You are the only pure .com geo player who has gone on record to state your support of what .TV can mean.

    Once again, the history books will see you as being the first to once again recognize where this space is moving before everyone else.



  16. NY Says:

    Michael Castello! (Insert golf clap here!) That was a brave post! Obviously I agree 10000%…and I take my hat off to you for taking a step outside the box.

    As for Sedo, Moniker, and a few others, it will only take time for them to realize they can not deny or hide the tremendous intuitive value and undeniable potential of .TV…(especially prime Geo’s!)

    ;)

    NY

    FYI: InvestmentStocks.com is for sale: $x,xxx to those interested.



  17. Emil @KING.NET Says:

    Michael Castello always working outside the box. Cheers to all GEO .TV owners.



  18. damir Says:

    Great post - GREAT INFO - KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK



  19. Patrick McDermott Says:

    “In all countries, the country domain is more popular than a .com address. ”

    Um…except for the USA. :-)

    .US will have it’s day…some day!

    Patrick



  20. Sanchay Kumar Says:

    Great post! Great insight Michael! Top two extensions that will monetize media from a global audience will undoubtedly will be .com and .tv

    The media revolution is all about this person>>: “ME” and “ME” clearly online identifies with his/her city (geo). This is a great time to be in the geo space like never before. Tools and Technology are driving a streaming society yearning for interaction, information and entertainment.

    What we need now is cooperation and not what is better than what. Success is a relative term anyways, right? What is happening right now is bigger than all of us. There is plenty of room for everyone to take part and be well rewarded, imo. Follow your heart, your gut and your dream and you will make it:) Don’t watch it happen, make it happen.

    Michael and David, your drive and ambition to make it happen years ago still shows today and that is great to see!

    Steve, keep up the great work on this blog.

    Thanks everyone!



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