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Did Traffic Show Flop For First Time?

  Posts Posted by Steve under General on Friday, May 23rd, 2008 11:38 pm

This may be a controversial question I am asking here, but it is not meant to slander the Traffic Show.  There is no doubt that it is a great show to attend.  Further, these are questions that should be asked in an open forum to get a variety of perspectives to this question and others. Every business at one time or another suffers set backs when it has had solid growth performance. This is the course of business.

After reviewing comments on attendance and the results of domain names that sold at the Traffic Auction in Orlando today, I can not help but ask  2 questions.  1. Was the auction process a flop?  2. Was the Traffic Show a flop?

In the past, the Traffic Show did very well with attendance from all the major players and domain sales. While attendance numbers have not been released yet, it is speculated that attendance numbers were the lowest ever for a Traffic Show.  This could have been because of the location the event was held at, Disney.

Then there is the auction portion, which had approximately $2.5 million in domain sales. It appeared from the live feed that the auctioneer at times was “begging” for bidding action on several of names. When you actually analyze the auction data, 6 names made up a big chunk of the revenue generated in domain sales. I believe approximately 100 names were sold in total.  There were several of outstanding domains listed for sale in the auction, that were passed by investors in large numbers.

Here are the names that totaled almost $1 million in sales:

InsuranceRates.com $225,000
GasPrices.com $225,000
Athlete.com $122,000
OW.com $120,000
Rainbow.com $170,000
Ringtones.org $120,000

While $2.5 million is a great auction day in anyones book, it is a poor result for such a quality list of domains for sale in this Traffic Show. I am sure there were many attendees who did some great networking and business deals during this event with limited competition in the field when compared to past shows. It will be interesting to see all the blog articles that are posted on this event in the coming days.  Will they fluff how great Traffic was this time again over past shows? Will they say they were disappointed with the outcome, when compared to other shows?  Or will they say this show produced the best results because of less competition at the show and greater opportunity to network? Interesting to see the variety of answers to these questions.

Perhaps the economy has a lot to do with low attendance to the show and disappointing auction results, at least to most domainers.  Maybe domainers had unrealistic expectations in an economy that is struggling.  Why do you think this show had a lower showing compared to past shows and why investors passed on so many great names?  Would this Traffic Show be considered a flop or are domainers simply conferenced out and investors auctioned out?

I know the New York Traffic Show will soar with attendees and reach new levels of success.  There is no doubt that it is time to regroup and start new marketing strategies before the New York show to bring in record amounts of attendees and record auction results.  Complacency will always stunt growth, as competition continues to stay proactive creating innovative ways to recruit attendees to their conferences. I am interested in hearing your comments.

11 Responses to “Did Traffic Show Flop For First Time?”

  1. Patricia Kaehler Says:

    I didn’t attend…

    I did watch the LIVE FEED…

    There were LOTS of HIGH bids that weren’t quite high enough — so lots of names had a PASS status…

    I personally didn’t attend because of the location (Disney)
    too much hubub for me…. I might attend the NY one though…

    They put on super events…

    I’m glad the resource exists for us…

    There have been alot of Conventions/Conferences/Live Auctions the past 12 months… but as a SELLER
    I am thankful for that… and the location alternating etc…

    I agree… reading the articles about the Event on various
    sites in the next few days – will be of interest …

    I’d like to see the SOLDS Reported – with a column for the ones that ALSO received bids – but not quite high
    enough… so we get more figures to consider…

    I need to get my LOCATION—-Domains together for the AssociatedCities.com Submit… I’m excited about that
    one as well..

    ~DomainBELL (Patricia)



  2. Francois Says:

    Regarding the auction there was around 150 bidders, 75 in the room (according Andrew Allemann) and the same amount bidding online (thanks to the SnapNames bidding tool).

    Probably THESE live auctions should increase their marketing budget to better advertise their event and attract more bidders.

    Myself I did not plan to bid online but I finished buying a pair of names, including mortgage.mobi when there are months I decided to no longer invest in this extension.
    A good proof these live auctions have something magic.

    It was certainly not the best TRAFFIC show but I don’t think it was a flop, it look likes due to less people attending that people present was able to better meet.



  3. tim davids Says:

    I think its a one, two punch… Many people talk on the forums complaining about the false bids to get action ie they dont trust it…and the “reserves” are so high they look like final bids not first bids.



  4. owen frager Says:

    1. The economy is in the skids and getting worse
    2. The industry is over saturated with shows and auctions
    3. Arbitrage is over
    4. PPC is under attack, Yahoo up for sale, and all weeding out the low quality submissions, getting the “C” level advertisers and the lowest payouts in history
    5. Snow bill and CADNA threaten business as usual- TM and TYPO owners are being prosecuted beyond UDRP- in addition to the price of the domain comes the need for contingency funds to defend it
    6. People have tried development and realize it’s it’s not a cakewalk
    7. End-users just don’t see the value proposition especially as we have presented it
    8. With PPC unable to provide ROI on the prices asked for these domains, none of the shows are offering better options
    9. There is no marketing whatever put into any of the shows or more importantly bolstering the industry or the value of domains- CADNA got their message all over WSJ, NYT and more- where’s ours? And auctions will require more than “this is a great generic domain name and a steal at just $5 million reserve” sales pitch.
    10. If auctions are going to be dependent on one or two buyers (like PPC is dependent on Yahoo/Google)it’s not as sustainable business model if those players change their plans or perhaps acquire what they need to develop their success without additional domains. Consider what happens when and if the largest player is in jail. Is his one phone call going to be to bid at the domain auction?
    11.If Kevin Ham is going to buy everything any way for the least amount possible, why wrap an event around it and waste everyone’s time. If the idea is to put your domain at auction to see what Kevin Ham is going to pay, why not just ring him up.
    12. All this said, the market is stronger then ever because all of the original visions and opportunities have yet to be realized getting these domains into the hands of the partners who can make the most of them. We need matchmaking and sometimes events like this are good because they are what’s need to motivate people to get off their asses and work longer, harder and smarter to find solutions.

    Two years ago being a Realtor in my neighbor was like having a license to print cash. No selling was required. The homes sold within 10 minutes of coming on the market and there was a waiting list of people willing to pay above the asking price. Today, most realtors and mortgage brokers are giving up and looking for other jobs. While others have turned to marketing and are selling the time and circumstance to those for whom it works in their favor.

    People will always need homes and businesses will always need homes (addresses) online. Somewhere between $5 million and $100K there’s got to be a solution that at it’s worst is 1000x the return one could expect on any other asset known to man.

    **SMO**

    Owen,

    Thank you for your comments. There are a variety of ways to sell products that are not in demand as much as in the past. It comes down to creative strategies and marketing. While the realestate market has gone to crap, there are still realtors/brokers who are making big money during these hard times because they have adapted creative ways to reach customers. Domainers and show organizers need to stay flexible and create these different strategies. Nothing stays the same, and if you truly want to continue to stay successful in any industry, you have to jump at change head first and find ways to profit from it before others beat you to the punch.

    Marketing is the biggest problem with these domain conferences. They only depend on marketing from domain community sources, blogs, magazines, and their sites to get the word out. There is very little education they provide as well preshow.

    Great input you have listed here. Thanks.



  5. M. Menius Says:

    Seems there are many more domain info and educational resources on the net than there were even 2 years ago. So domainers are not confined to the shows for good information, and can move forward with partnerships and development plans via online networks. More people are moving to a “next level” and consequently have limited time … so their time investment must be allocated judiciously.

    Regarding the auction, I think it was substantial given the number present. Some of the .com names were not particularly good business names. Names with market potential always draw interest. As has become the norm, many better names were relegated to silent auction … actually hampering total sales.

    Auction interest could be increased by introducing basic categories, and then within those categories, organizing names by price or search frequency.

    ***SMO***

    M. Menius,

    There are a variety of improvements that need to take place in order to make the auction more enticing. Marketing is the biggest problem. These shows take in “Big Money” from attendees, but spend very little on marketing the event and especially the auction.

    If things do not improve and marketing efforts do not change, these shows will become obsolete. We have already seen what happened with the Domain Round Table. It lived a short life before being sold. THis should be awake up call to all those who host shows. These shows need to encourage customer comments and suggestions for improvements from customers and potential customers to stay ahead of the game.

    After all, the event is not for the show host, but for the people.



  6. Domainer Says:

    Well the reserves were way to high.

    **SMO**

    Perhaps, the same domainers who preach the value of great names, want their cake and ice cream too. It is funny to see domainers say reserves were way to high, when they know what the name is really worth and the potential of a great flip with a domain gem.

    The bottom line is domainers and investors want to pay peanuts for quality gems, to add value to their portfolio. (unrealistic these days). Too many sellers are now educated and are not going to sell a quality gem for peanuts to get bidding auction on their name. Its human nature to feel good about buying things undervalued. Of course when they do this, they have large ROI when compared to the person who initially sold it.

    I believe investors have become spoiled and believe they should not have to pay top dollar for great domains, like the rest of world. (even though they know the value of great names more than anyone else). It is funny to see this, because many end users are saying the same thing when they approach many domainers and their asking prices, much too high.(And they are not educated for the most part on domain power)

    Bottomline, great names will demand top dollar, the days of low reserves and undervalued domain gems selling is becoming obsolete. Too many sellers are educated now and have watched the major players take advantage of sellers, only to brag and make a much larger profit by flipping a domain gem.

    You would never see a Picasso, Rembrandt, or Angelo painting starting with a low reserve to entice bidding. Quality cost money, after all, this is not the dollar store.



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  8. Tommy Butler Says:

    At the end of the day Domainers are not mugs
    and the Gravy train is now running out of steam.

    Before commiting yourself to all the hype with regards some shows you have to ask yourself whats in it for me.
    Am i going to make money long term or short term from this show or am i just going to spend my money and nothing happens.

    First question would ask why would i pay say $2000 to just enter a show and have other companys trying to sell me there parking systems.

    They should be paying me $2000 to attend the show and hope i gave them some business. then again maybe this is an american thing you charge people to attend the show and you charge sponcers to also to sell your there goods or services.

    People are learning more online these days also also and being more carefull with there money think about it $2000 for show and lets say another $1000 for hotel $1000 for flights and $2000 for spending on nick nacks.total say $6000.

    Now could go and buy a nice little name for that or register say 1000 . com names and park them and same me all the time.

    also with shows that now more specific to domainers needs people will chose whats best for them and not read all crap that says you must attend this show and that show.

    show me people who have attended the shows and have made money from the shows then will make my mind up and dont show me the old pals act.

    No disrespect to some people but some people in this industry think domainers are thick and just trying to get you to part with your hard earned cash.

    The old saying goes as soon as you get up in the morning someone is trying to find a way of getting your money.

    the only shows i go to are ones going to make me money
    so associated cities it is for me.

    Could not make the show last year as the world travel show was on in london and that show made me money.

    If you have names with regards to tourisim go to travel shows and learn if you have car related names go to car shows if you have property names go to property shows you will learn more and do more deals direct cutting out everyone and doing deals yourself is one ways to improve your earning from names



  9. Emil @KING.NET Says:

    Reserves are too high.

    I guess conferences is too many to consider. Most attendees are domain in business, less end-user. We should have 1-2 in US, 1-2 in UK and 1-2 in ASIA per annual conference. IMHO

    We need more marketing approach, look at Godaddy.com they are everywhere in marketing/advertising just to bring up their name. They are not the best registrar but they claim enough % in domain business.



  10. Vic Says:

    Lots of good insights here. My feeling is that I agree with those who say the marketing is a problem. I have an account with Moniker and I also have names for sale, but unless I make the effort to go visit Moniker’s site and manouevre my way around it (it is not very clear) I would never know what is happening or when. I never get a single e-mail from Moniker informing me of upcoming events until it’s too late. If this is the attitude they display with everyone else I’m not surprised sales were so poor.



  11. tim davids Says:

    owen…I love that Kevin Ham comment



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