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What Happens When The Well Runs Dry?

  Posts Posted by Steve under General on Tuesday, May 27th, 2008 8:39 pm

My recent post on the Traffic Show delivered a variety of interesting perspectives from readers. Owen Frager hit a very important issue that I wanted to caveat off of and have preached to many people privately and openly on Sahar’s blog in the past. Everyone knows that the major players and investors in the domain industry have kept the after market sales in the spotlight over the years with the prices they have paid to acquire these generic domains. They are the reason conferences like Traffic have become successful and in the spotlight with record breaking auctions. Without them, the market would not have evolved as fast as it has in mainstream media.

End-users have been very minimal in domain acquisitions when you look at statistics from all the major auction events in the industry over the years. While end-users have increased in acquisitions over the years, they do not make up the domain after market for top dollar domains. They are mainly on the low end of the spectrum.

My question to readers is, What happens when you take many of the major players/investors out of the buying cycle of generic domains on auctions and the after market? All of the domain conferences depend on them for the marquee domain auctions that draw large crowds. All of the news channels in the industry rely on them to publish articles on key sales. Can you imagine how interesting reading DNJournal.com domain sales would be if there were no huge sales weekly? What happens when the well runs dry and these people have filled their portfolios to the max. It happens in every industry, and it will happen in the domain industry as well, and has already started to occur.

Many of these major players have already started to tighten their acquisition budgets because of the economy, but more importantly because of lower PPC payouts from Google and Yahoo!. The future of PPC is uncertain and there is major concern. The recent Traffic show validated this, and more importantly these same players are not interested in paying end-user prices for domains on auctions. Everyone wants a deal, even though domains continue to go up in value every year. It amuses me to see major players complain about reserves being set to high by sellers, but when they sell to an end-user, they charge the max amount. (That is for another post, as I am sure people will comment on this statement.)

PPC is getting to a point where it is no longer feasible to spend 6 figures on a domain name, where historically, PPC offset the purchase price immensely. If PPC payouts continue to decrease, we are going to see a flood of domain deletions in the industry. Additionally, the auction market will become over saturated with domains for sale with these major players trying to recoup any losses. This will decrease the value of domains when this occurs, when there is 50 times more supply than demand.

Some will say that the after market is already over saturated with domains for sale. IMO, I believe this is only the tip of the iceberg. A market meltdown will occur if PPC payouts continue to decrease. There are many who do not want to discuss this openly, and prefer to talk privately about it in close circles. However, the truth is that this industry is at risk if many of the major players stop buying names at auctions, and start to flood the market with their low quality domains.

If PPC payouts rebound, all will return to normal and the talks about development will cease for the most part. However, if they do not and continue to decrease, development will become the number one area of focus. Additionally, the domain market will bottom out and evolution will occur at a fast rate for the domain industry. Those who have developed properties smartly will continue to stay afloat until the market rebounds, if it does. Interesting times ahead, if PPC payouts do not rebound.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts.

13 Responses to “What Happens When The Well Runs Dry?”

  1. domainer Says:

    Well 95% of end users have no idea the value of generic traffic domains, so to ask this question is to early. Give it 5-10 yrs for corporate america to wake up.

    ***SMO***

    Domainer,

    This has been said since 1998, and only a fraction have “waken up”. The true threat is when major players stop buying and start unloading. End-users are not the problem. It is the lack of education the domain industry has provided. Those who have provided education through conferences to the public, have done so lining their pockets with cash. So, end-users, corporate America, and mainstream media will continue to be skeptical with the current educational platforms that are in the industry at this time and keep from paying the high prices. Honestly, there are none where someone does not profit at this time.

    Corporate America and everyone else not in the domain industry will never wake up, unless hidden agendas stop being pushed. They all see through the agenda clearly, regardless of the smoke surrounding it. The ICA is off to a great start in becoming the unbiased educational platform, in which all domainers will reap benefits.



  2. End User Says:

    I’ve worked in business development at a number of startups and corporations and have been pitched on buying generic domains for 6 figures multiple times.

    The reason corporate America won’t wake up is there’s nothing to wake up to. There is no education needed.

    The typical proposal I get is…

    - I own xxxxx.com.
    - It’s perfect for your company because you’re in the xxxxx industry.
    - It gets direct navigation traffic and you’ll have to spend less money on marketing.

    My response is…

    - How much are you asking?
    - How much traffic does it get?

    Typical answer….

    - $xxx,xxx or $x,xxx,xxx
    - 5,000-10,000 uniques per month

    My reply…

    You want me to spend $xxx,xxx or $x,xxx,xxx for 5,000-10,000 uniques per month? That does nothing for my business.

    Domainer response…

    But it’s a highly brandable category domain.

    My final reply….

    You told me you had something that was going to reduce my marketing costs. Based on your numbers I can tell your nice domain won’t move the needle up for me on sales and down on marketing expenditures. Now you tell me that I should buy something for $xxx,xxx or $x,xxx,xxx so that I can spend more money branding it???

    I know some of you guys make great money from domains and are smart as hell but for us corporate folks we’re not idiots either and you don’t need to educate us. If you have a great domain we’re interested if your price is realistic. I might spend $20,000 or $30,000 because you have domain that would be nice to own but your domains are not going to change the dynamics of our companies so if you expect us to pay amounts that are based upon them being able to do that you’re going to get rejected.



  3. mike s Says:

    Finally, someone has the guts to write this. This is a scary reality but one that is very realistic.

    I’d love to hear ideas about how we can educate the public when sales are no longer reported (because they’re not big enough).

    Very well written.



  4. David J Castello Says:

    The river may slow, but it will never run dry. Why? Because there are way too many domain names that have already proved their intrinsic value. And once that happens you have a self-sustaining industry.

    The reason for this good cheer is because of the Internet “Crash of 2000.” The time period (2000-2002) after that debacle was truly a scary period for the domain name industry. People were thinking, “If a name like Pets.com can’t make it with millions of VC behind it, then what are these names really worth by themselves?”

    It was a valid question and it scared people silly. Of course, the answer was quite pedantic: To make money in this business you need a great domain name paired with a great business plan. Otherwise, no amount of money can save you. The Crash of 2000 wasn’t because of domain names, it was because people stopped using their heads and started using their hearts. Pure mania took over and a lot of people lost their shirts. Domain names took a lot the heat for it.

    My brother and I were unaffected by all of this because we were too busy making money the old fashioned way with our Geodomains. When we attended our first domain conference (TRAFFIC East 2006), the people we met appeared to be more like veterans and survivors than domainers. Most of them had weathered the Crash of 2000 and their no-nonsense, realistic attitude today is a big reason why the river will never run dry.



  5. Andrew Hyde Says:

    I think the opportunities here are for small business, companies with 15 to 50 employees that are 2 to 20m annual sales range. Companies of this size get the marketing advantage that a great domain name can provide for them, but are looking for name within the xx,xxx range. It’s not the end of the market on the upper end, just a correction. Names that have value will increase in value. Larger companies are always looking to beat results of last quarter. Having more ways for potential customers to find your organization is always better, and better still is eliminating a route that could lead to your competition.

    Rising oil costs are pushing to online markets even more. There’s more emphasis on development, but in the long run good names are going nowhere but up. In a few years I think this period will reflect as a great time to buy ( and develop) while you can get deals.



  6. Michael Castello Says:

    My response to “End User”. Maybe if one of the startups or corporations you worked for had the clarity to buy into a great internet address you would still be working for the first one and not the last.

    I have nothing against your logic but we’ve spent 6 figures or more on a domain name and made our money back in two to three years WITHOUT branding or advertising. What am I… or you missing?



  7. Tim Davids Says:

    Ask the guy that owns americanFlags.com what a good name can do…etc etc.



  8. Steve Says:

    David,

    History has a way of repeating itself in different manifestations. Back in 2000, the market crashed because of poor business plans and failure to understand how to use targetted traffic to reach new levels on the internet.

    This time around, PPC is the culprit if it continues to decline. It will not be businesses this time that will suffer, but domainers who own large portfolios and depend on PPC, (Who have poor business plans) and have placed the majority of their revenue on PPC.

    Additionally, portfolio owners have already started to ease up on buying names to add. They are getting maxed out, and sooner or later, a common sense question has to asked, exactly how many names is enough.

    Domainers are addicts, and compulsive buyers as well in general. Eventually, the major players will break the bad habits and start to build if PPC continues to decline. Even if PPC goes back up, you have ask the question, how much is enough? I know of many people who are not interested in acquiring anymore names, unless a good deal comes along already. They are content with the portfolio they have built.

    No one can own the world, nor the internet. The only people completing large transactions for domains in general are major players. Take them out of the ecosystem, and major problems will arise in the domain industry. We hear a story from time to time of end users paying top dollar, but most of the time, it is not for the name, but the business surrounding the name.

    I think times are uncertain if PPC continues to decline. Again, history has a way of repeating itself in different manifestations.



  9. Andrew Says:

    The question is if you care about publicly reported sales. Ron will tell you he captures 10% or so of all sales. The biggest ones are never reported, like CashBack.com. You won’t see that one on any sales charts.

    The public sales are investors. The non-public ones often include end users.

    ***SMO***

    Andrew, this is very true. Good point. However, It is the major players who make the domain industry buzz. You and I know it. A major league baseball stadium is useless unless there is a team to play in it, which in turns brings in the crowds with hopes and dreams of making it to the show..Sales that are not reported do not do anything for the industry as a whole, but serve their purpose. Thanks for making your point apparent.



  10. David J Castello Says:

    I agree, Steve. In 2000, it was the Internet start-ups who got blown out of the water. This time around it will be the domainers with large, parked, undeveloped portfolios.

    However, I have a feeling that many of the readers of this blog will not be too affected. Geodomainers have a strong history of development and revenue autonomy. For example, less than 5% of our revenue comes from PPC and nearly all of that is from parking our undeveloped non-Geo names.



  11. David J Castello Says:

    Enduser:

    The successful pairing of domain name and business model for powerhouse names like Hotels.com, Cars.com, Apartments.com, etc would dispute a lot pf what you’re saying. Not to mention the easy monetization of Geodomains. In the fall of 1997, we turned down 50K for PalmSprings.com before we made a dime off of it. For you to say the most that anyone should spend in 2008 is 20-30K is unrealistic. We’ve lived with these names and know full well their marketing and branding abilities.

    Michael and I are in current negotiation with one of our biggest non-Geo names and will send out a press release after the agreements are finished. The other party approached us because they wanted the name for their business model. There are some significant people behind this project and the name (and its obvious branding/marketing potential) will speak for itself.

    However, there is one point where I will agree with you. A great domain name is best used when integrated at the beginning of a business plan. For a multitude of reasons, it may not be cost effective (and confusing to the public) to change horses mid-stream.

    Best,
    David J Castello



  12. Sai Says:

    Several months ago, I launched a campaign to educate end- users thru one of my sites as an example. Here is the campaign page:

    http://www.duckeggs.com/domains/

    It caught lot of media attention too.. End-users will get it eventually, not in our life times though. :-(

    Thanks,



  13. Lizi Says:

    The horizon on parking may be appearing but it is only the BEGINNING of the domain aftermarket because developed domains are only now maturing on a broad enough scale to create a ripe environment for resale of established top tier domains. It’s still a very young web and the concepts still unfolding.

    Perhaps conferencing began to take on a life of its own and is running out of steam from overplay – most domains sell at the highest dollar amounts when the fever is highest at live auctions which makes a Buyer feel that this is their one and only
    chance to seize the moment to make a strategic acquisition. It tends to play off the casino environment as much as the logical mindset that brought them there in the first place. If there is such an over abundance of conferences that you start getting invitations in your email for the next before the last one is even over (and now the choices are widening ever more) I would wager that too many conferences doesn’t allow for the fervor to build that drives these sales to fever pitch – where impulse
    and hype keep the momentum going with a snooze or lose attitude. In the last year the hype has been taking a clear direction towards lucrative conferences so much so that it seems to be the next big thing in the domain world.

    There should be less opportunity to buy – to build up demand for top tier names…and leave the daily auctions for lower level domain names. The drive to get domains on the cheap is paving the way for a lateral market and that audience should be separated from the luxury market domain investor who knows what potential means to marketing anything if you have the right match. It’s time to set some boundaries on market maturity of any said domain.

    PPC is going UP for us not down at all – we’re almost 25% ahead of last year! Our impressions are a bit more and our clicks are actually down <1% but our revenue is way up. We’re making more then ever with Google because more people are bidding and we haven’t even tapped our real potential for other ad revenue. From all that I’ve read & researched it would appear more likely that the publishers are finally going to get what they’re due and the revenue is just going to continue to build because it is these very properties where advertisers need to platform their clients and the move to online from other media is just happening now. We’re ALL one step AHEAD. Keep the auctions special and a little fewer and further between!

    …my take anyway…



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